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What if the works of art depicting women as strong, smart, capable and fearless were used as a means to have sex with women who were in a position of weakness? It seems that Joss was not simply incidentally a cheater, but that he used his very outspoken position as a feminist as a tool to manipulate women.

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> What if the works of art depicting women as strong, smart, capable and fearless were used as a means to have sex with women who were in a position of weakness

If producing good art with the intent of impressing people into having sex with you invalidates that art.

Then I suspect almost all art is now invalid.

And does the intent of art mean nothing to it? If a Soviet radio program (Mothernight) was actually a coded message to America, does that not change its meaning?

Yes, many people produce art to impress others. To create art about women in order to manipulate women does indeed affect its proper interpretation. It is manipulation, and between Whedon and Louis CK, it seems that far too many male feminists have taken that mantle specifically to dominate/harass/manipulate women.

Whedon and Louis have been at their trade a very long time.

Saying that they make their art "specifically" out of their urge to manipulate women seems disingenuous.

It isn't their art that put them in that position, it was their eventual fame and success that they abused.

Could be that makes them bad people.

So really the question seems to be, can "bad" people make "good" art?

I don't trust myself to be the judge of other, but I can judge how people's art affects me, and that seems a better metric to me.

I'm late to this thread, but it is an age old question. Can you separate the art from the artist. The athlete from the person.

Joss Wheaton, Bill Cosby, Michael Vick, and so many more examples.

Can you admire the art of an artist that you despise. I think most people have a really hard time separating the two, but some people can do it.